tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904021173466473381.post8691591101964660331..comments2023-10-11T04:09:53.564-07:00Comments on materfamilias writes: Street Scenes, Open Doors, Parismaterfamiliashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16062766947897513369noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904021173466473381.post-12505964017911653682011-11-12T13:17:43.614-08:002011-11-12T13:17:43.614-08:00Hostess: Yes, the generally shared view of Paris i...Hostess: Yes, the generally shared view of Paris is not nearly as gritty, but it's got its corners too!<br />Lisa: Cities everywhere . . .<br />Susan: I understand your ambivalence. I feel sad that so many feel no ownership of/in public spaces, so don't feel protective of them. . . and sad that they have good reason to feel that way.<br />Duchesse: These shots are taken well within the périphérique, but I can imagine there's much more of this outside. We've visited friends before just outside, but haven't spent much time in the banlieues. The film goes on my list, if only I can find it . . . (always trust your great recommendations)<br />Aunt Snow: These shots are all from the 20th arr., from the neighbourhoods of Menilmontant and Belleville which house many immigrants, particularly from Africa. As you can see, there's a mix of tagging and more developed mural art. While there was a time I would have deplored the defacing, I've come to feel much differently about all of it. I love the more sophisticated expressions -- MissTic being perhaps my favourite -- but I also think there's something about the defiant urgency of tagging that needs to be heard. I'll be sure to have a look at the controversy you stirred up with your earlier post.materfamiliashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16062766947897513369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904021173466473381.post-40122195296008477622011-11-11T21:41:24.977-08:002011-11-11T21:41:24.977-08:00I actually love murals like this - I say "mur...I actually love murals like this - I say "murals" to distinguish this kind of expression from just tagging, which is different. I caught some flak on my blog when I featured some graffiti murals. http://doves2day.blogspot.com/2011/01/as-long-as-were-looking-at-sky.html<br /><br />I'm not sure what neighborhood in Paris your shots are from. We saw a lot of graffiti murals when we were there. I think, in general, it's a sign of a community's expressive energy. In LA, there are many sites where property owners allow artists to create murals.Glennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03681336164718681936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904021173466473381.post-42928501826825585442011-11-10T16:18:58.028-08:002011-11-10T16:18:58.028-08:00We have had intense debate with our sons over the ...We have had intense debate with our sons over the dining table about whether graffiti are art or vandalism... perhaps that's too simplistic, they can be both. They have now shifted somewhat, talking about tenant or owner permission, dedicated sites, etc. and and the occasion of someone tagging over another (often respected) "artist's" work.<br /><br />Outside the périphérique is a whole other Paris. (Have you ever seen "35 Shots of Rum"? A Claire Denis film I love- not about graffiti but the real life of the banlieues.)Duchessehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09986153653120526776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904021173466473381.post-47798852763678709822011-11-10T08:54:12.127-08:002011-11-10T08:54:12.127-08:00Like LPC, I'm reminded of late 70s early 80s N...Like LPC, I'm reminded of late 70s early 80s NYC subway cars. <br /><br />I see your points and your poet friend's perspective, but mainly feel sad when I see widespread defacing of public spaces.Susan Tinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11900811284963063686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904021173466473381.post-89402280142405100502011-11-09T19:52:22.321-08:002011-11-09T19:52:22.321-08:00This is reminding me so much of Manhattan subway c...This is reminding me so much of Manhattan subway cars in the early 80s.LPChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18209861350905135093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904021173466473381.post-85028604406768020822011-11-09T19:35:25.932-08:002011-11-09T19:35:25.932-08:00I've seen scenes like this in Vancouver and Se...I've seen scenes like this in Vancouver and Seattle...<br />so interesting that Paris so far away would have similar scenes.hostess of the humble bungalowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06453827257671312902noreply@blogger.com